Abhinaym
09-25 10:03 AM
In any system if you club large group of applicants based on a dichotomy, and say you will get lesser share than the rest, isn't that how you describe preferential treatment ? Is there any other way to describe the current country-quota system?
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Continuing on your example. Let me give another example of why this quota system is ridiculuous. Let's consider a Srilankan Tamil and an Indian Tamil. What would be so different between the two, in terms of social contribution to the US, that the 'diversity' rule makes an actual difference? Again what is the great benefit achieved by making it easier for one group to get a GC over the other? You can even think of other examples too.
I dont' want to start off a culture war here by making controversial statements, but try to understand the core of what I'm trying to say. That is, there is no perceivable difference between you and I, at least in terms of employability, that this diversity concept can make a meaningful benefit out of.
In fact it probably makes much more economical sense to have quotas based on the subject's political or scientific inclination rather than national origin! In today's connected world, nationality has no meaning.
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Continuing on your example. Let me give another example of why this quota system is ridiculuous. Let's consider a Srilankan Tamil and an Indian Tamil. What would be so different between the two, in terms of social contribution to the US, that the 'diversity' rule makes an actual difference? Again what is the great benefit achieved by making it easier for one group to get a GC over the other? You can even think of other examples too.
I dont' want to start off a culture war here by making controversial statements, but try to understand the core of what I'm trying to say. That is, there is no perceivable difference between you and I, at least in terms of employability, that this diversity concept can make a meaningful benefit out of.
In fact it probably makes much more economical sense to have quotas based on the subject's political or scientific inclination rather than national origin! In today's connected world, nationality has no meaning.
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Humhongekamyab
07-02 02:16 PM
Yes it applies for IV too. We have a handful of monthly subscribers because everyone wants the other person to pay for it. If the problem needs to be solved, each victim needs to fight this problem.
Do let us know the outcome of your complaint.
Please also inform others how you went about making this complaint.
Filing the complaint is the easiest thing that I have done in a long time. As I had lots of written evidence so it took me close to 30 minutes to prepare the everything but normally it should take no more than 10 minutes. The DOL, Wage and Hour division, takes care of all the such complaints and the identity of the filer is kept confidential to the fullest extent provided by law.
The Form for instructions for filling the complaint & the form is available at http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/forms/fts_wh4.htm list of H-1B willful violators is available at http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/immigration/H1BWillfulViolator.htm and the list of debarred employer's is http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/immigration/H1BDebarment.htm
When I filed a complaint, I sent the whole package via FedEx. I waited for few weeks to hear from DOL but when nothing happened I went to their office (they are few blocks away from me). I spoke with an investigator (who was very professional and courteous) who told me that even though FedEx shows the package was delivered they cannot locate it. The investigator asked me to resubmit the package which I did the next day. I received a letter from the DOL after 2 weeks saying my complaint has been received; they even assigned me a complaint number which I can use to track the progress of the complaint by calling their office. The DOL combined mine and my coworker's complaint together and assigned both of us the same complaint number; my coworker filed his complaint few days after I had filed mine.
Do let us know the outcome of your complaint.
Please also inform others how you went about making this complaint.
Filing the complaint is the easiest thing that I have done in a long time. As I had lots of written evidence so it took me close to 30 minutes to prepare the everything but normally it should take no more than 10 minutes. The DOL, Wage and Hour division, takes care of all the such complaints and the identity of the filer is kept confidential to the fullest extent provided by law.
The Form for instructions for filling the complaint & the form is available at http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/forms/fts_wh4.htm list of H-1B willful violators is available at http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/immigration/H1BWillfulViolator.htm and the list of debarred employer's is http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/immigration/H1BDebarment.htm
When I filed a complaint, I sent the whole package via FedEx. I waited for few weeks to hear from DOL but when nothing happened I went to their office (they are few blocks away from me). I spoke with an investigator (who was very professional and courteous) who told me that even though FedEx shows the package was delivered they cannot locate it. The investigator asked me to resubmit the package which I did the next day. I received a letter from the DOL after 2 weeks saying my complaint has been received; they even assigned me a complaint number which I can use to track the progress of the complaint by calling their office. The DOL combined mine and my coworker's complaint together and assigned both of us the same complaint number; my coworker filed his complaint few days after I had filed mine.
visves
02-11 06:52 PM
Absolutely not. AC21 only removs the per-country limit in any calendar quarter in which overall applicant demand is less than the total of available numbers. In the present calendar year, the overall demand is defenitely more than the total of available number and AC21 priviledges would not apply.
DOS would clearly violate the 7 percent limit if excess EB2 ROW numbers flow to EB2 china/india. Don't want to get into an argument here, so I will leave it at this. Each person is entitled to his/her interpretation just as DOS has its own. Peace.
What ever you are saying is absoutly true till year 2000,ie before AC21 act.
But after 2000, the simple answer is NO. The unused numbers in EB2 shuold go to retrogressed countries in EB2 first, and if any numbers are left then it should go to EB3-ROW.
DOS would clearly violate the 7 percent limit if excess EB2 ROW numbers flow to EB2 china/india. Don't want to get into an argument here, so I will leave it at this. Each person is entitled to his/her interpretation just as DOS has its own. Peace.
What ever you are saying is absoutly true till year 2000,ie before AC21 act.
But after 2000, the simple answer is NO. The unused numbers in EB2 shuold go to retrogressed countries in EB2 first, and if any numbers are left then it should go to EB3-ROW.
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Ahimsa
01-30 08:54 AM
I dont think companies are really geared to file for 140 within 45 days of labor approval...
The condition is not for "to file 140 within 45 days of labor approval"
But it is for the company to substitute the LC for some other employee.
There is no time limit set to file I-140 for the employee for whom the LC was issued.
AILA opposes this 45 days condition on the premise that they can not find and recruit a person to apply LC substitution within 45 days.
Anyway it is good to see majority of the "LC-jumpers" will be stopped.
The condition is not for "to file 140 within 45 days of labor approval"
But it is for the company to substitute the LC for some other employee.
There is no time limit set to file I-140 for the employee for whom the LC was issued.
AILA opposes this 45 days condition on the premise that they can not find and recruit a person to apply LC substitution within 45 days.
Anyway it is good to see majority of the "LC-jumpers" will be stopped.
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desi485
11-09 11:25 PM
Thanks for the additional information. In case 1 - can the applicant still retain the priority date if s/he wants to start a new GC process? In other words, does 6 year expiration have any effect on retaining PD?
From what I have gathered so far, it appears that it's a misconception that a lot of people have who feel it's safer to stay on H1. It doesn't sound like EAD is as bad as I had once initially thought..
As far as I know, one retains the PD for life once I-140 is approved; unless CIS revokes I-140 due to fraud or min-interpretation. Otherwise PD is yours forever, across the category (eb-1, 2 or 3).
From what I have gathered so far, it appears that it's a misconception that a lot of people have who feel it's safer to stay on H1. It doesn't sound like EAD is as bad as I had once initially thought..
As far as I know, one retains the PD for life once I-140 is approved; unless CIS revokes I-140 due to fraud or min-interpretation. Otherwise PD is yours forever, across the category (eb-1, 2 or 3).
micofrost
06-13 04:17 PM
EB3 I is still very unfortunate... I guess this is how the melting pot works... correct me if I am wrong.
Out of 140K Visas 7%= 9800 is assigned to India (All Categories)
Out of 9800 - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 :(
From over all left over of 140K - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 (all other countries) - Left over (EB3 China) - Left over to (EB3 India) :(
EB3 India is lowest on the FOOD Chain!!!
Out of 9800, it is divided among three equally.Then the left over flows in seral fashion.
Out of 140K Visas 7%= 9800 is assigned to India (All Categories)
Out of 9800 - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 :(
From over all left over of 140K - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 (all other countries) - Left over (EB3 China) - Left over to (EB3 India) :(
EB3 India is lowest on the FOOD Chain!!!
Out of 9800, it is divided among three equally.Then the left over flows in seral fashion.
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pansworld
12-03 10:22 PM
Cannot argue with your experience. But I still think providing a convenient automatic way to pay small amounts for a specific period of time will help. (the suggestion of $30 over 6 months or 60 dollars over 6 months etc.) Sure people can do it on their own, schedule it, remember it and have the will to do it et al.
But when I put myself in the donor's shoes, it feels like the old times when there were no automated payments for electric bills. :D
This has been discussed umpteen number of times, but I am going to share a personal experience here (shared once already on a similar thread).
For the last state chapter (Diwali Mela) event in North CA we were accepting ANY AMOUNT for a contribution, but were suggesting $25 or $50.
How many contributed? About 20 from a state chapter that boasts of 150+ members.
The fact is, people do one of the following:
1. look at the recommended amount and contribute that amount (most of our donors were $25, and a few paid $50)
2. pay a high $ amount simply because (s)he is convinced he wants to help as much as possible! (Most of the volunteers for the event paid $50 or more, and three of them paid $90/$100 each)
3. DO NOT pay, no matter what, as they are not convinced it will help reduce their waiting time
One more time... IV is not turning anyone away. If you can only contribute $10 a month, please feel free to paypal it yourself to donations at immigrationvoice.org
Like the squirrel who helped Lord Rama construct the bridge (sorry for making this a slightly "Indian" post, but can't think of a better analogy) every small bit is going to help IV, and will be most appreciated!
However, the bridge to the GC is a long one, and our Lord Rama (IV) needs thousands of hard-working and contributing monkeys to make it a reality:D
But when I put myself in the donor's shoes, it feels like the old times when there were no automated payments for electric bills. :D
This has been discussed umpteen number of times, but I am going to share a personal experience here (shared once already on a similar thread).
For the last state chapter (Diwali Mela) event in North CA we were accepting ANY AMOUNT for a contribution, but were suggesting $25 or $50.
How many contributed? About 20 from a state chapter that boasts of 150+ members.
The fact is, people do one of the following:
1. look at the recommended amount and contribute that amount (most of our donors were $25, and a few paid $50)
2. pay a high $ amount simply because (s)he is convinced he wants to help as much as possible! (Most of the volunteers for the event paid $50 or more, and three of them paid $90/$100 each)
3. DO NOT pay, no matter what, as they are not convinced it will help reduce their waiting time
One more time... IV is not turning anyone away. If you can only contribute $10 a month, please feel free to paypal it yourself to donations at immigrationvoice.org
Like the squirrel who helped Lord Rama construct the bridge (sorry for making this a slightly "Indian" post, but can't think of a better analogy) every small bit is going to help IV, and will be most appreciated!
However, the bridge to the GC is a long one, and our Lord Rama (IV) needs thousands of hard-working and contributing monkeys to make it a reality:D
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nk2006
10-08 04:10 PM
Look at the previous post. Its a myth that NRIs are buying up all these high end properties.
Indian real estate market is fueled by the black money india. They are using NRIs as a facade. Investing in realestate legitimizes that money. Now they don't care how much rent they are getting. It makes no business sense at all. You and me cannot comepete with them.
You are right on - most of conversations/analysis on RE market in India (especially Hyderabad which I am familiar with) center around how NRI/IT employee money has spurred the prices. its a big urban legend. Majority of these "investments" were with black money - corrupt govt employees, local businessmen, and politicians of all parties, and ultra rich actors. They saw a chance in converting their black money into white and pumped up into RE projects as "investments". I saw a report somewhere which said that these black-money transactions can account for atleast 33% of RE transactions in hyderabad (with another 1/3 coming from companies/FII's and only the other 1/3 from NRI's + local rich professionals like IT employees/doctors/lawyers etc). In the apartment and SF homes market most of the projects are in the mid-way thru completion -with majority of apartment projects scheduled to complete in 2009-11. During that time there will be abundant apartments with not many people living in them - expect to see rental prices go down even more.
Of course these investors would eventually try to cash their assets - and deman vs supply equations change dramatically to drag down prices. In addition to this - the current global economic conditions are bad (to put it very mildly) - the argument that it will not touch India may not be correct. Our economy is a lot smaller than other economies like US/europe and depend a lot on those economies - more financial companies bankruptsies would affect IT companies revenues. Also there were direct investments from some of the failed companies in India - for example Lehman Bros had a investment in one of apartment project in Hyderabad. Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, etc. all have tie ups with RE companies with huge "promised" investments. Now that they themselves are in trouble - dont think that they would venture into indian RE market anymore - this can also potentially drag down prices.
I could be wrong (was saying that this would happen for last one year - it didnt happen so far ;)) - but I think buying an apartment/house in Hyderabad/Bangalore/Chennai now in 2008 as an "investment" is not a great idea. If the buy is to live there - then its another matter (I never look at my home as an investment - its more of a life style choice whether in India or in US).
Indian real estate market is fueled by the black money india. They are using NRIs as a facade. Investing in realestate legitimizes that money. Now they don't care how much rent they are getting. It makes no business sense at all. You and me cannot comepete with them.
You are right on - most of conversations/analysis on RE market in India (especially Hyderabad which I am familiar with) center around how NRI/IT employee money has spurred the prices. its a big urban legend. Majority of these "investments" were with black money - corrupt govt employees, local businessmen, and politicians of all parties, and ultra rich actors. They saw a chance in converting their black money into white and pumped up into RE projects as "investments". I saw a report somewhere which said that these black-money transactions can account for atleast 33% of RE transactions in hyderabad (with another 1/3 coming from companies/FII's and only the other 1/3 from NRI's + local rich professionals like IT employees/doctors/lawyers etc). In the apartment and SF homes market most of the projects are in the mid-way thru completion -with majority of apartment projects scheduled to complete in 2009-11. During that time there will be abundant apartments with not many people living in them - expect to see rental prices go down even more.
Of course these investors would eventually try to cash their assets - and deman vs supply equations change dramatically to drag down prices. In addition to this - the current global economic conditions are bad (to put it very mildly) - the argument that it will not touch India may not be correct. Our economy is a lot smaller than other economies like US/europe and depend a lot on those economies - more financial companies bankruptsies would affect IT companies revenues. Also there were direct investments from some of the failed companies in India - for example Lehman Bros had a investment in one of apartment project in Hyderabad. Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, etc. all have tie ups with RE companies with huge "promised" investments. Now that they themselves are in trouble - dont think that they would venture into indian RE market anymore - this can also potentially drag down prices.
I could be wrong (was saying that this would happen for last one year - it didnt happen so far ;)) - but I think buying an apartment/house in Hyderabad/Bangalore/Chennai now in 2008 as an "investment" is not a great idea. If the buy is to live there - then its another matter (I never look at my home as an investment - its more of a life style choice whether in India or in US).
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grupak
06-13 02:18 PM
I think this is a valid point. We should request from USCIS to treat the employment base category same as other category. I am not sure that USCIS could fix this by themselves or they need any legislation.
This will be a big relief for us and will fix our 50% backlog.
Increasing GC numbers and/or not counting family members have been brought up in lawmaker meetings in the past. IV has been active and trying to get things done either administratively or legislatively. Look back at the letter writing campaign and consider some recent administrative fixes.
Need of the hour, call CHC members and your representatives.
This will be a big relief for us and will fix our 50% backlog.
Increasing GC numbers and/or not counting family members have been brought up in lawmaker meetings in the past. IV has been active and trying to get things done either administratively or legislatively. Look back at the letter writing campaign and consider some recent administrative fixes.
Need of the hour, call CHC members and your representatives.
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hydboy77
04-15 01:11 PM
Is it correct to say only nebraska Service center is issuing the rfe because they are pre adjudicating while Texas service center is not issuing rfe because they are not pre adjudicating 485. A vast majority of people getting rfe on 485 (95% or more) are from nebraska Service center.
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alisa
03-10 06:47 PM
Please realize that
a) immigrationvoice.com is a tool for the Immigration Voice organization. This website/forum has 10K members, and in any population of 10,000 people, you will get all sorts and kinds of people. There will be no unanimity of views. So, when it doesn't cost to express an opinion, you will get lots of opinions.
As we get more and more members, the number of opinions is only going to increase.
ImmigrationVoice Organization on the other hand, consists of some influential core members who have been working on EB-based issues for more than a year. This organization also has some active state chapters.
I would request you and your like-minded friend not to confuse the organization with the website.
Join the organization. Thats what matters. The website is only a tool.
b) The REAL POWER of this organization will lie in its state chapters. Trust me. If you sit with ten people you know, and talk about these issues, and resolve to do something about the situation, and come up with an action plan and an operating mechanism, that will be where the strength of IV lies.
This forum provides good live information (when there is a senate testimony, or call Senator session's office campaign going on), and sometimes useful information and announcements.
But most of the time, you will get opinions, and comic relief from here.
Friend of mine (to whom I contacted regarding IV) is in USA for 7 years and knows how lobbying & party funds are raised (including Watergate) and also very much aware of "Retrogression" and problems of being "Legal".
Also, he is aware of cause of IV and appreciate that but he is un-comfortable because whenever he login to IV, he noticed that:
- more than 40-50% respondents are talking about money/contributions & signatures showing how much they have contributed as of today,
- 10-15% are talking about blocking non-contributors(calling by Free Lunchers etc..),
- 5 % are Pseudo intellectuals (talking BIG but dont know immigration basics like - PD, issues of I-140/I485)
- 5% are always trying to shutdown others, accusing/calling by names to other forum members (he says "Highly skilled" in accusing!!)
- and remaining are "Positive" contributors for IVs retrogression cause (talking about - I spoke to senators office, can we arrange rallies, when to Fax/fliers, when State chapters are going to meet, posting excerpts from senate/CSPAN/News etc..)
Is our audience is so? Can we focus on our cause? pl be together like.. Like-Minded!!!
a) immigrationvoice.com is a tool for the Immigration Voice organization. This website/forum has 10K members, and in any population of 10,000 people, you will get all sorts and kinds of people. There will be no unanimity of views. So, when it doesn't cost to express an opinion, you will get lots of opinions.
As we get more and more members, the number of opinions is only going to increase.
ImmigrationVoice Organization on the other hand, consists of some influential core members who have been working on EB-based issues for more than a year. This organization also has some active state chapters.
I would request you and your like-minded friend not to confuse the organization with the website.
Join the organization. Thats what matters. The website is only a tool.
b) The REAL POWER of this organization will lie in its state chapters. Trust me. If you sit with ten people you know, and talk about these issues, and resolve to do something about the situation, and come up with an action plan and an operating mechanism, that will be where the strength of IV lies.
This forum provides good live information (when there is a senate testimony, or call Senator session's office campaign going on), and sometimes useful information and announcements.
But most of the time, you will get opinions, and comic relief from here.
Friend of mine (to whom I contacted regarding IV) is in USA for 7 years and knows how lobbying & party funds are raised (including Watergate) and also very much aware of "Retrogression" and problems of being "Legal".
Also, he is aware of cause of IV and appreciate that but he is un-comfortable because whenever he login to IV, he noticed that:
- more than 40-50% respondents are talking about money/contributions & signatures showing how much they have contributed as of today,
- 10-15% are talking about blocking non-contributors(calling by Free Lunchers etc..),
- 5 % are Pseudo intellectuals (talking BIG but dont know immigration basics like - PD, issues of I-140/I485)
- 5% are always trying to shutdown others, accusing/calling by names to other forum members (he says "Highly skilled" in accusing!!)
- and remaining are "Positive" contributors for IVs retrogression cause (talking about - I spoke to senators office, can we arrange rallies, when to Fax/fliers, when State chapters are going to meet, posting excerpts from senate/CSPAN/News etc..)
Is our audience is so? Can we focus on our cause? pl be together like.. Like-Minded!!!
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shreekarthik
01-31 12:24 PM
1. As for as I can see the 45-day rule comes in to force only after the rule is published in federal register. So all LCs approved after this publication will have 45days of life and has to be used by the original applicant. It's still a grey area as to how LCs approved before the rule publication will be affected. From immigration-law.com, my understanding is that all the LCs approved before this publication will have 45 days from the date of publication and if the I140 is not filed by then they'll expire. So all LCs approved so far will have 45days from the date of publication. Now to Labor sub.
2. Substitution of labor can be done by 2 methods
a. by amending the existing labor certification before approval
b. by substituting after approval.
3. When u do either 2.a or 2.b DoL stamps a substitution approved stamp on the LC.
4. If you are doing a labor sub and u fail to get this stamp before the rules goes in to effect then ur lab sub will be automatically rejected.
5. If your labor sub is approved before the rule is published in the federal registrar then u go ahead and file I140.
2. Substitution of labor can be done by 2 methods
a. by amending the existing labor certification before approval
b. by substituting after approval.
3. When u do either 2.a or 2.b DoL stamps a substitution approved stamp on the LC.
4. If you are doing a labor sub and u fail to get this stamp before the rules goes in to effect then ur lab sub will be automatically rejected.
5. If your labor sub is approved before the rule is published in the federal registrar then u go ahead and file I140.
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cooldude0807
09-17 12:23 PM
Hopefully they will get done with HR6020 soon!!!
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dreamworld
06-13 06:39 PM
if you are unmarried.. Please check with an attorney before filing i485:
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_benret.html
"Luxury of Additional Time to Find a Spouse
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Third, if one is unmarried, the I-485 applicant is given the luxury of more time to choose a spouse. That spouse can enjoy dependent benefits and obtain permanent resident status based on being married prior to approval of the I-485. This is a huge benefit to those who were intending marriage, but need more time for one reason or another. There is an enormous benefit to marrying prior to the approval of the I-485, rather than after. If the marriage takes place after the I-485 is approved, the case becomes a family case and the spouse can be stuck abroad waiting for several years.
Note: A spouse is not entitled to obtain the "green card" automatically simply by getting married before the I-485 is approved. A spouse who gets married before the I-485 is approved is allowed to file and obtain the H4 visa from abroad and enter the U.S. on an H4 status as long as the principal maintains H1B status.
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http://www.murthy.com/news/n_benret.html
"Luxury of Additional Time to Find a Spouse
�MurthyDotCom
Third, if one is unmarried, the I-485 applicant is given the luxury of more time to choose a spouse. That spouse can enjoy dependent benefits and obtain permanent resident status based on being married prior to approval of the I-485. This is a huge benefit to those who were intending marriage, but need more time for one reason or another. There is an enormous benefit to marrying prior to the approval of the I-485, rather than after. If the marriage takes place after the I-485 is approved, the case becomes a family case and the spouse can be stuck abroad waiting for several years.
Note: A spouse is not entitled to obtain the "green card" automatically simply by getting married before the I-485 is approved. A spouse who gets married before the I-485 is approved is allowed to file and obtain the H4 visa from abroad and enter the U.S. on an H4 status as long as the principal maintains H1B status.
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walking_dude
11-14 04:31 PM
Why do you jump the gun and reach conclusions??!!!
All that was asked - was to write to the Radio station using their website. Who asked anyone to picket?!!! Re-read my post. I asked members to call up and ask hard questions challenging his credibility. We have nothing to lose by doing so. If we make him fumble, he stands to lose a good following.
I'm part of that 10% that you're speaking about. Are you? Have you joined your state chapter? Did you march in DC? Are you a regular contributor?
What's wrong in using Gandhi's name? Are you allergic to the great man?
Any day a Gandhi quote is better than the - 'This can't be done. That can't be done. It's all in vain' statements, which are highly negative, demoralising and triter than the usage of Gandhi. At least Gandhi quotations are positive and uplifting. And we need that here to balance the pile of the negative statements that get posted.
It's a promise. Until you guys don't get tired of posting your negative and demoralizing posts, we won't be tired of invoking the Great man's name. We know it's vain to invoke Gandhi to you guys. But still hoping against odds that it may affect you in a positive way. :)
Well then why dont you picket against NumbersUSA, programmers guild et al too, i can name 20 conservative radio shows try emailing/talking them to change their opinion. I say this because i have emailed to a few and even tho they understand my point of view they will not change something that gets them ratings and propagates their cause.
IV has 25k members, i guess 10% out of those are really motivated to participate and ready do something, if you start diverting your resources towards such issues your team will not have much motivation or people remaining when you really need them to do something. IMO
Quoting Gandhi left and right is becoming pass� now, its like desi politicians, invoking Gandhi for everything. Try not to take his name in vain. (this is not directed at your post, i have been following your well written posts for a while. It a general comment after reading the forums.)
All that was asked - was to write to the Radio station using their website. Who asked anyone to picket?!!! Re-read my post. I asked members to call up and ask hard questions challenging his credibility. We have nothing to lose by doing so. If we make him fumble, he stands to lose a good following.
I'm part of that 10% that you're speaking about. Are you? Have you joined your state chapter? Did you march in DC? Are you a regular contributor?
What's wrong in using Gandhi's name? Are you allergic to the great man?
Any day a Gandhi quote is better than the - 'This can't be done. That can't be done. It's all in vain' statements, which are highly negative, demoralising and triter than the usage of Gandhi. At least Gandhi quotations are positive and uplifting. And we need that here to balance the pile of the negative statements that get posted.
It's a promise. Until you guys don't get tired of posting your negative and demoralizing posts, we won't be tired of invoking the Great man's name. We know it's vain to invoke Gandhi to you guys. But still hoping against odds that it may affect you in a positive way. :)
Well then why dont you picket against NumbersUSA, programmers guild et al too, i can name 20 conservative radio shows try emailing/talking them to change their opinion. I say this because i have emailed to a few and even tho they understand my point of view they will not change something that gets them ratings and propagates their cause.
IV has 25k members, i guess 10% out of those are really motivated to participate and ready do something, if you start diverting your resources towards such issues your team will not have much motivation or people remaining when you really need them to do something. IMO
Quoting Gandhi left and right is becoming pass� now, its like desi politicians, invoking Gandhi for everything. Try not to take his name in vain. (this is not directed at your post, i have been following your well written posts for a while. It a general comment after reading the forums.)
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485Mbe4001
02-13 05:42 PM
Please dont BS for the sake of BS'ing.
Think before you type. The core team mentions $$ and ground work. Most are not interested in doing anything besides reading these forums. Realize the enormity of the task, the efforts required, then look in the mirror and ask yourself what you did besides BS'ing
As mentioned In Logiclifes first post in this forum,
Organizations who have Millions of dollar In budget for pushing and lobbying their Issues failed also for whatever reason ( He did not mention reasons ).
Does that mean that having a fat budget does not Impact the outcome ?
What It proves Is Its really the Politics, election, People's focus on the Issue which matters and NOT the lobbying with big fat budget.
And If its the case then our issue will be taken care of on its own merit when all above factors are in our favour, regardless of lobbying.
Just a thought, I hope I am not upsetting the general trend of praising efforts.
Think before you type. The core team mentions $$ and ground work. Most are not interested in doing anything besides reading these forums. Realize the enormity of the task, the efforts required, then look in the mirror and ask yourself what you did besides BS'ing
As mentioned In Logiclifes first post in this forum,
Organizations who have Millions of dollar In budget for pushing and lobbying their Issues failed also for whatever reason ( He did not mention reasons ).
Does that mean that having a fat budget does not Impact the outcome ?
What It proves Is Its really the Politics, election, People's focus on the Issue which matters and NOT the lobbying with big fat budget.
And If its the case then our issue will be taken care of on its own merit when all above factors are in our favour, regardless of lobbying.
Just a thought, I hope I am not upsetting the general trend of praising efforts.
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06-14 05:41 PM
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EkAurAaya
11-02 10:54 AM
1) We can go back; need not pretend if we think we have the brains
2) If you go "your GC misery is over". After that "A new beginning for you and this society"
3) If you don't go back you don't lose credibility. You just prove that you want to live here no matter what. Eveyone has the right to make his choice based on what works out well for him/her
4) For those who voted "yes" I think they know what they want in life and why they are here. No matter what the conditions are here or anywhere they will make the right choices instead of expecting someone else to control their lives.
The counter point is "Lobbying is not the only path to our freedom and independence"
Like you mentioned pointing out people and there posts is not required ( if you think that is a smart threat and expect people to backoff) because everyone can search every post of the other person if they want to do so.
FOR ALL THOSE WHO VOTED YES - IF WE HAVE ENOUGH NUMBERS WE CAN CHARTER A A380 OR TWO DREAMLINERS ONE FROM THE EAST COAST AND ONE FROM THE WEST COAST WITH STOPS IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES TO DROP OFF PEOPLE. IT HELPS US, AIRBUS/BOEING AND THE "NO" SAYERS WAITING FOR THEIR GC'S. THIS WOULD BE FOR SURE A BIG EVENT IN THE HISTORY.
I am not against IV and its goals or against any views or opinions of people. It is a free world, but if we want to pay a price for that we can do so in many ways. e.g. Waiting for GC.
I don't think you will understand this but i will give a simple explanations...
it is not easy for people to pack up and leave when you have family/kids assimilating in the system (forget your "status" for a minute - people living here don't want to move to a different town (forget state) because their kids are in school) <<< this has nothing to do with how brainy you are (in fact it will be stupid to just pack up and leave). Oh and not to forget... i want SS/Medicare when i retire, i paid for it ;)
However I can guarantee you 80% (if not 100%) of IV members with PD < 2004 would have return if they had to restart the process of GC (too late for that we all have 485 applied and AC21 is around the corner ;))
And to answer your question about brain drain... it will happen if immigration is not fixed, if it takes 10-15 years to immigrate then people with naturally opt to get out of here before they are neck deep (like us 7-10 years) in the system.
But really Please Please Please do set an example by going back for good... I already explained the net result of you going back in my previous post ;)
Request: Mods I think this stupid thread does not belong here, please delete it... gjoe can take his agenda some place else to rally some support (perhaps in some anti-immigrant website).
2) If you go "your GC misery is over". After that "A new beginning for you and this society"
3) If you don't go back you don't lose credibility. You just prove that you want to live here no matter what. Eveyone has the right to make his choice based on what works out well for him/her
4) For those who voted "yes" I think they know what they want in life and why they are here. No matter what the conditions are here or anywhere they will make the right choices instead of expecting someone else to control their lives.
The counter point is "Lobbying is not the only path to our freedom and independence"
Like you mentioned pointing out people and there posts is not required ( if you think that is a smart threat and expect people to backoff) because everyone can search every post of the other person if they want to do so.
FOR ALL THOSE WHO VOTED YES - IF WE HAVE ENOUGH NUMBERS WE CAN CHARTER A A380 OR TWO DREAMLINERS ONE FROM THE EAST COAST AND ONE FROM THE WEST COAST WITH STOPS IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES TO DROP OFF PEOPLE. IT HELPS US, AIRBUS/BOEING AND THE "NO" SAYERS WAITING FOR THEIR GC'S. THIS WOULD BE FOR SURE A BIG EVENT IN THE HISTORY.
I am not against IV and its goals or against any views or opinions of people. It is a free world, but if we want to pay a price for that we can do so in many ways. e.g. Waiting for GC.
I don't think you will understand this but i will give a simple explanations...
it is not easy for people to pack up and leave when you have family/kids assimilating in the system (forget your "status" for a minute - people living here don't want to move to a different town (forget state) because their kids are in school) <<< this has nothing to do with how brainy you are (in fact it will be stupid to just pack up and leave). Oh and not to forget... i want SS/Medicare when i retire, i paid for it ;)
However I can guarantee you 80% (if not 100%) of IV members with PD < 2004 would have return if they had to restart the process of GC (too late for that we all have 485 applied and AC21 is around the corner ;))
And to answer your question about brain drain... it will happen if immigration is not fixed, if it takes 10-15 years to immigrate then people with naturally opt to get out of here before they are neck deep (like us 7-10 years) in the system.
But really Please Please Please do set an example by going back for good... I already explained the net result of you going back in my previous post ;)
Request: Mods I think this stupid thread does not belong here, please delete it... gjoe can take his agenda some place else to rally some support (perhaps in some anti-immigrant website).
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